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tool++ · May 18, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I'm pretty new here, but I was wondering - is it best to ask questions in a thread or to start a new thread?

Just my post got rather ignored :O

Lasher Dragon · May 18, 2005, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by tool++

I'm pretty new here, but I was wondering - is it best to ask questions in a thread or to start a new thread?

Just my post got rather ignored :O

Sorry, missed your question - those trench coats some Rangers wear are only for the males as far as I can tell. I play a female Ranger, and I have never seen a trench for her... which I think kinda sucks.

isilwen · May 18, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

with both my main a monk and my new ranger alt i find that each have to plan things thoroughly...this adds a strategical and tactical depth to ranger and monk classes both. most peeps dont think outside 2-d dimensions. A mark of good player is when they take a tough class as monk or ranger and make them seen godly. ranger is a class where skill truly matters how you play it ^^

tool++ · May 18, 2005, 07:23 PM // 19:23

Thanks <3

Ah, damn :/

Where's a good source of info about tactics etc - as I said, I'd probably class myself as sucky at present...but I'm open to any knowhow I can get my hands on.

I have soo many questions to ask...but I don't want to annoy you, so where's a good info source for things like where to get drop X, advice about damage/AP/elemental stuff, where to get elite skill X?

Lasher Dragon · May 18, 2005, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by tool++

Thanks <3

Ah, damn :/

Where's a good source of info about tactics etc - as I said, I'd probably class myself as sucky at present...but I'm open to any knowhow I can get my hands on.

I have soo many questions to ask...but I don't want to annoy you, so where's a good info source for things like where to get drop X, advice about damage/AP/elemental stuff, where to get elite skill X?

It's alright, just send me a message via msn, and I'll answer what I can.

Serafita Kayin · May 18, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

I play with friends with a group that consists of a R/ME (me), a straight warrior, and a Mo/R, and we decimate things. Three people can do the work of an entire party in PvE. I often do more damage than a straight warrior of my own level, cause of setup.

It's HOW YOU PLAY that makes a class good or bad. This isn't Magic the Gathering, where some cards were just dogs (Abbey Matron anyone?) but a game of skill and insight, and the person at the keyboard has to be able to control theperson on the screen or nothing will get done.

And if they cry about rangers, i join another team and pwn them. Just to prove who can do what.

Demetrious · May 18, 2005, 07:38 PM // 19:38

I'm a mid level char only - lv 11 R/Mo - and I guess I am a bit boring in that he is a archer/healer but I am having lots of fun and don't feel at all like he is undermatched.

Ok, maybe in pure solo I can tell he doesn't deal a huge damage rate, but more often I am with a hench, or with a group, or in PvP and in those cases I definitely contribute.

Am I the star? Maybe not but in many ways, I enjoy playing the ranger because you have to "play the ranger" to be good. I have different skill and attribute setups for solo vs. PvP vs. hench vs. party.

Maybe that is part of my liking of the ranger - the player makes a big difference. I don't play that many hours but I do think I have practiced quite a bit for a level 11 ranger. I try and time my attacks to coincide with the group, certainly focus on terrain to gain damage and range and try to keep a view of the "battlefield" to quickly heal or change targets to apply my skills where they are needed.

All in all, it fits me pretty well I think and even if I give up a bit of horsepower, there's no doubt a skilled ranger brings assets to the table.

rei · May 18, 2005, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Serafita Kayin

R/Me here, and people love partying with me cause I can stand there in elemental attacks and laugh for quite a while before needing healing, especially when all the others are dead, cause they can't hold up to elemental...

Not to mention 100+ an attack if I crit, and always 50+ or better, and that's not even max damage bow.

dont mind me asking, but what attribute is your marksmanship/dmg of bow/class of bow/blue/purple/yellow?
just wondering since ive got myself a nice 14-27 flat bow with neat stats yet still i dun seem to do anything over 40 to heavy armor'd monsters or warriors.

LoKi Foxfire · May 18, 2005, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by HH-

Lol, I see this in the PvP arenas. Had about 3 different teams of all Rangers, or all Rangers and one something else. One W/Mo right away gave up and said in team talk that he's just gunna die right away and preceded into the other team without attacking. Needless to say we lost due to eveyone thinking they had a tank to support.

Only once has a team of all Rangers won the arena and we went on ~5 game winning streak. Alot of times I just see the other Rangers giving up.

I gone on a 20 win streak with no monk in arena before. Then again, a lot of the players in there are nubs.

Screencap of only 20 wins

Our whole team quit after that, it's boring to own people nonstop with no real challenge. Hell, we even beat a 2 monk team with no monk of our and did it flawlessly. :O (and now everyone knows my skill set up for anti-warrior ;D)

thegriffgeeks · May 18, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon

Currently I carry 4 different bows, however that will soon be 6: one of each element, a vampiric, and a sundering.

Two reasons why I don't have more, haven't crossed them yet and I have two smiting rods/staff that are amazing! But I will carry more bows if I find better ones.

I do agree different bows for different things. I have a bow that deals +11% dmg if I'm hexed. If I'm getting hexed you can guess what I'm pulling out. The funny part is when I start using it the majority of the enemies stop attacking me! hehe

Serafita Kayin · May 18, 2005, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by rei

dont mind me asking, but what attribute is your marksmanship/dmg of bow/class of bow/blue/purple/yellow?
just wondering since ive got myself a nice 14-27 flat bow with neat stats yet still i dun seem to do anything over 40 to heavy armor'd monsters or warriors.

I'm using penetrating shot for that so I can partially ignore AL. That's almost my default attack, but 12 marks, 13-24 bow, +4 to armor. Also have 5 or six in expertise...

Mystical · May 19, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by LoKi Foxfire

I gone on a 20 win streak with no monk in arena before. Then again, a lot of the players in there are nubs.

Screencap of only 20 wins

Our whole team quit after that, it's boring to own people nonstop with no real challenge. Hell, we even beat a 2 monk team with no monk of our and did it flawlessly. :O (and now everyone knows my skill set up for anti-warrior ;D)

Nice!

I've been on a 15 game win streak in Shiverpeak (yeah, still working my way through the game the first time), the team was pretty balanced with no monk too. IIRC we had two Rangers, a Warrior and an E/N. The warrior would call the first target and just charge him will all of us in support. It was fun since I've never been on a win streak that long before. Ended up loosing do to (I think) being to kocky, including me. :P

During the all Ranger team experience, we where all amazed at how well a bunch of Rangers can complement eachother if we all lookout for one another. I went around one match running from the warriors (yeah, I know you all hate that

) casting Whirling Defence then Resurrect, then running to the next Ranger. We actually won that too. We ended up loosing to a all Warrior team however. And pretty fast at that.

Pevil Lihatuh · May 19, 2005, 10:43 AM // 10:43

the problem is people still seem to be having trouble understanding that its the skill of the player behind the guy that matters. And thats everyone in the team. If there is ONE bad player in the team, you're handicapped. Of course if the other team has one bad player, its all even again

To be honest in this game they could give us mice to play as a profession and as long as the player was good, a team of 8 mice could seriously own 8 warriors

sybban · May 19, 2005, 11:03 AM // 11:03

It's because most rangers don't know how to play their job. The others are pretty simple to play. Hell my first charcter was a ranger and I knew I was useless due to lack of knowledge. Start teaching rangers and maybe they'll get a better rep

Cs Coldize · May 19, 2005, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by avnos

neat heh, i have a ranger main myself, but u gotta think how 6 eles woulda done ;\.

I resent that. Eles arent affected by blindness when using spells so we woulda slaughtered them.

Think of how 6 E/mo's would do. Then we could heal ourselves and revive fallen allies. What now? (ya, im not a E/mo but its still interesting idea)

Besides, eles have some of the strongest attacks, AoE to the max. If you were in a good team of eles, you could each setup your skills to take out a specific class. Then it would be a breeze.

sybban · May 19, 2005, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Regardless of what you any of you say, the fact remains that in a normal group of mediorce players-All you need is one ranger, plain and simple.

grimmolly · May 19, 2005, 05:26 PM // 17:26

No offense, but this thread is starting to read like a support group for rangers. I understand how skill can make a ranger good and agree that carefully made builds can be excellent, but using the random arenas to prove that is for fools. How can you tell when a win is your fault when you are only one part of the equation? Like healing W/Mos, much of the usual ranger tactics in arenas don't work the same in the tombs. Most random teams won't have ranged snares or interrupts to stop that trap and run strategy, so it's only self-gratifying to show off that winning streak. Good rangers in tombs often replace those flame traps with energy draining and interrupting skills. What do random arenas have to do with anything? I swear I see the most rangers there, because it seems to be where they're the most effective due to all the paladin builds that are easy to counter. If you want to impress me, tell me how your all ranger team beat the ring of fire.

Mystical · May 19, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by grimmolly

How can you tell when a win is your fault when you are only one part of the equation?

There is no "I" in team. If you shot one arrow and hit, you've contributed. Rangers are good at distracting Monks; with Dodge and Lightning Reflexes getting close is easy, then Hunter's Shot/Pin Down/Apply Poison you've given the Monk too much to worry about to heal his team.

Rangers can and do help in the random arenas. If you don't notice it, they've done their job.

Beqxter · May 19, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by HH-

Rangers can and do help in the random arenas. If you don't notice it, they've done their job.

Of course, they could also suck and you wouldn't notice. Rangers, in general, are just not very noticable.

(I play a ranger and agree with you, so don't think that's a flame. Just poking fun.)

Zyndaar · May 19, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Rangers are a blast to play.

I alternate between R/E and R/Mo.

As an R/E I ALWAYS find the higher ground, it is imperative for a ranger.
I have freaked out quite a few parties when I go running thru a mob to gain higher ground.
I slap on Storm Chaser and Lightning Reflexes and run thru the mob, if I have a trap along I drop it when past in case anything decides to come after me.

Good example was on the Thirsty River mission, just before you get to the hero there is 2 Sand Giants and a bunch of Rockshot Devourers, party aggroed all of them, I ran thru them to the higher ground on the right they all focused on the party and now I am the only person who was able to cast Meteor Shower since the Devourers were using Distracting Shot on the others.
One of the Sand Giants decided he was gonna play "Stomp the Monk", so I nailed him with a Pin Down and the Monk got away.
From there I rained down arrows on the called target which due to being on higher ground did alot more damage then if I had just stayed below in the middle of the fight.

One of the best things about being a Ranger is the sense of being able to control the flow of battle like that, Rangers have great power to direct WHAT happens and HOW in a fight.

For EVERY mission I first take the henchies to see what I will be facing.
How else will I know what specific skills to take along?
For those trips I go as R/Mo, and I become the Ranger Medic, I sit back pelting everything with arrows and using Rebirth when a henchie drops.
Don't care if a henchie gets a -60% DP I just pop em back on their feet so they can do more damage or soak more damage up.

Being a Ranger is ALL about planning and strategy if you fail to do either you will most likely fail in whatever your attempting.